ProNews/2 Filtering

[John Varela]

I am running ProNews/2 V1.58.cp116

Filtering of news groups is not working. I'm pretty sure it used to.

Any suggestions for what's wrong? Is there a later version of
ProNews/2?

[Mark Dodel]

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:23:24 UTC, "John Varela" <***@verizon.net>
wrote:

-> I am running ProNews/2 V1.58.cp116
->
-> Filtering of news groups is not working. I'm pretty sure it used to.
->
-> Any suggestions for what's wrong? Is there a later version of
-> ProNews/2?
->

No idea on the problem, but the last version I know of Pronews was
Pronews/2 1.60 build cp125.
http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/download/pub/os2/apps/internet/news/reader/pn2v
160.zip

Mark

[Herr Willms]

Am Tue, 13 Sep 2011 01:07:56 UTC, schrieb "Mark Dodel"

Post by Mark Dodel
No idea on the problem, but the last version I know of Pronews was
Pronews/2 1.60 build cp125.

I have here a V1.62-cp135-shl built on December 26, 2010, but it
might be that this is not a public release.

There is a mailing list on mailto:***@os2warp.org, maybe
you get an answer there (I do not get any more since I stated that the
old version did crash very very very often).


Cheers,
L.W.

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dann ändert der Kaffee seine Farbe.
Falls nicht, ists kein Kaffee, sondern Altöl

[John Varela]

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:40:00 UTC, "Herr Willms"

Post by Herr Willms
Am Tue, 13 Sep 2011 01:07:56 UTC, schrieb "Mark Dodel"

Post by Mark Dodel
No idea on the problem, but the last version I know of Pronews was
Pronews/2 1.60 build cp125.

I have here a V1.62-cp135-shl built on December 26, 2010, but it
might be that this is not a public release.

Are you able to filter on news groups?

Post by Herr Willms
you get an answer there (I do not get any more since I stated that the
old version did crash very very very often).
Cheers,
L.W.
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Wenn die Milch sich in den Kaffee integriert,
dann ändert der Kaffee seine Farbe.
Falls nicht, ists kein Kaffee, sondern Altöl

[Herr Willms]

Am Wed, 14 Sep 2011 00:08:15 UTC, schrieb "John Varela"

Post by John Varela
Are you able to filter on news groups?

I never really tried, for one because I don't know really for what
purpose, and secondly because I did not really understand how to do
it. And I did not pursue the issue, because for reason no. 1.


Cheers,
L.W.

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Wenn die Milch sich in den Kaffee integriert,
dann ändert der Kaffee seine Farbe.
Falls nicht, ists kein Kaffee, sondern Altöl

[John Varela]

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 09:15:05 UTC, "Herr Willms"

Post by Herr Willms
Am Wed, 14 Sep 2011 00:08:15 UTC, schrieb "John Varela"

Post by John Varela
Are you able to filter on news groups?

I never really tried, for one because I don't know really for what
purpose, and secondly because I did not really understand how to do
it. And I did not pursue the issue, because for reason no. 1.

Perhaps you've never encountered the advocacy groups. It used to
happen in the OS/2 groups and can still happen in the Mac groups,
that some troller will crosspost from one of the advocacy groups
just to stir up argument.

My immediate motivation is that an otherwise sane poster to
alt.usage.english has started crossposting threads from some of the
sf and tv groups where the participants often lack sanity. I have
been filtering any post that goes to more than three groups, but
that hasn't been adequate to the current situation. I would have to
filter each thread as it appears, or filter many individuals. It's
easier to just filter any crossposts from those groups, to filter
any group with *advocacy* in its name, filter alt.flame, and so
forth.

[Jonathan de Boyne Pollard]

Post by John Varela
My immediate motivation is that an otherwise sane poster to
alt.usage.english has started crossposting threads from some of the
sf and tv groups where the participants often lack sanity.

Moving discussions of English usage out of the S.F. groups where they
are not on-topic and into a group that there for that very thing. My
goodness! Whatever next! Perhaps we'll discussing the uses and
configurations of newsreaders in the newsgroup that is there for *that*
purpose, too.

[Trevor Hemsley]

On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 00:08:15 UTC in comp.os.os2.apps, "John Varela"

Post by John Varela
Are you able to filter on news groups?

When I looked at that code a long time ago, it appeared to do pretty much
nothing which is why I added the environment variable and help text about
changing its functionality. I could never see the purpose of how it operated
before, it seemed to do nothing.

[John Varela]

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 01:07:56 UTC, "Mark Dodel"

Post by Mark Dodel
-> I am running ProNews/2 V1.58.cp116
->
-> Filtering of news groups is not working. I'm pretty sure it used to.
->
-> Any suggestions for what's wrong? Is there a later version of
-> ProNews/2?
->
No idea on the problem, but the last version I know of Pronews was
Pronews/2 1.60 build cp125.
http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/download/pub/os2/apps/internet/news/reader/pn2v
160.zip

I fetched it from Hobbes and installed, but it didn't solve the
problem.

I see that you are using the same version. Are you able to filter on
news groups?

[A.D. Fundum]

Post by John Varela
Are you able to filter on news groups?

FTR: if ... using (a newsreader supporting) SOUP is an option, then
.. you should be able to apply any filter condition you like.

http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/download/pub/os2/apps/internet/news/fud4soup.zi
p


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[Trevor Hemsley]

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:23:24 UTC in comp.os.os2.apps, "John Varela"

Post by John Varela
I am running ProNews/2 V1.58.cp116
Filtering of news groups is not working. I'm pretty sure it used to.

There's a per-newsgroup "Use Global" setting in the local group settings on the
Filters tab. If it's unchecked then your global filters will not be run for that
group. You could uncomment the PNFILTERNOOPT=0 line in pronews.env to see if
that helps (it disables the tokenisation of the filters and forces them to be
recompiled every time they're used - slower but avoids my newer code). Otherwise
worth upping the log level by running, e.g. pronews.exe -3 and seeing if
anything vaguely usseful is logged in pronews.log.

Post by John Varela
Any suggestions for what's wrong? Is there a later version of
ProNews/2?

Yes, check hobbes.

[John Varela]

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 01:06:42 UTC, "John Varela"

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 23:27:11 UTC, "Trevor Hemsley"

Post by Trevor Hemsley
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:23:24 UTC in comp.os.os2.apps, "John Varela"

Post by John Varela
I am running ProNews/2 V1.58.cp116
Filtering of news groups is not working. I'm pretty sure it used to.

There's a per-newsgroup "Use Global" setting in the local group settings on the
Filters tab. If it's unchecked then your global filters will not be run for that

It's checked for all groups.

Post by Trevor Hemsley
group. You could uncomment the PNFILTERNOOPT=0 line in pronews.env to see if

I don't have a pronews.env file in the pronews folder. Does this
mean that it's missing or is it somewhere else?

Disregard. I noticed sample.env and copied it to pronews.env.
Uncommenting PNFILTERNOOPT=0 did no good.

However, I did notice that on the filter tab there are TWO help
buttons, and pressing the right one turns up this:

<quote>

group - The group expression can be used in two ways depending on
the environment variable PNXREFFILTER. If this is not set (default)
then the group expression is used to filter on the group(s) which
are specified. Group filters of this type are really only useful in
conjunction with other expressions. Here is a very useful example:

group="*binaries*" AND lines="<300"


Note: This does not filter on the newsgroups line in the article
header, only the group in which the article currently resides.

If PNXREFFILTER is set then the group expression is used to filter
on the crossposted newsgroups list for each article. Used in this
way, it can be a tool to delete articles that have been crossposted
to particular newsgroups. For example, with PNXREFFILTER=1 the
following will match if the XRef: header line contained the string
given. This can be used to mark articles as read if they have been
crossposted to the advocacy group.

group="*comp.os.os2.advocacy*"

</quote>

Setting PNXREFFILTER and adding asterisks as indicated in the
example seems to have solved the problem.

Thanks for your help.

ps: The statement "If this is not set (default) then the group
expression is used to filter on the group(s) which are specified" is
confusing. It would be clearer if it read "...filter within the
group(s) which are specified."